tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3881762807913180318.post624281937887975019..comments2024-01-23T16:53:02.428+00:00Comments on Mark Thompson: Paint and the Alternative VoteMark Thompsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00744387583593537268noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3881762807913180318.post-29404079251259267842012-11-16T05:31:35.191+00:002012-11-16T05:31:35.191+00:00Nice one. I will certainly come again again.Nice one. I will certainly come again again.Manoj Singhhttp://www.loadjunction.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3881762807913180318.post-64144858969331915432012-05-24T14:29:50.867+01:002012-05-24T14:29:50.867+01:00I genuinely enjoy reading through on this web site...I genuinely enjoy reading through on this web site , it holds fantastic content.sketchup4architecthttp://sketchup4architect.com/sketchyphysics-plugin.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3881762807913180318.post-40783213471826059162012-05-17T06:54:39.457+01:002012-05-17T06:54:39.457+01:00Surely the real lesson is don't put Barry in c...Surely the real lesson is don't put Barry in charge of anything! thanks....bhashkar_suainlogistichttp://www.suainlogistics.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3881762807913180318.post-68252574442702303152012-04-27T08:53:30.181+01:002012-04-27T08:53:30.181+01:00The mechanics of AV are really very simple, I woul...The mechanics of AV are really very simple, I would expect a primary school child to be able to manage it. I would like to live in a world where those who sign up to innumerate and illogical criticisms of it such as that offered by NO2AV were laughed off in the same way as they would be e.g. if they were to write letters full of spelling mistakes, or to suppose Shakespeare wrote "Great Expectations" or to suppose Mary Queen of Scots and "Bloody Mary" were the same person or some other mitskae which suggested the person lacked what is considered basic knowledge for a reasonably intelligent person. Why is it that in thos country people wodl be ashamed to admit to being illiterate, but seem to regard it as a mark of pride to be innumerate?bhashkar_BIM Serviceshttp://www.bimoutsourcing.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3881762807913180318.post-26696353254296690432012-04-23T08:30:17.518+01:002012-04-23T08:30:17.518+01:00I genuinely enjoy reading through on this web site...I genuinely enjoy reading through on this web site , it holds fantastic content.Manoj - Outsource Survey Processinghttp://www.dataentryhelp.com/outsource-survey-processing.htmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3881762807913180318.post-34548387666555486392011-01-26T17:51:33.536+00:002011-01-26T17:51:33.536+00:00Well yellow is the best option as everyone is ok w...Well yellow is the best option as everyone is ok with it. However AV would have got rid of it. AV is hugely flawed like thatD Birkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17392312677270890379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3881762807913180318.post-25596641359069317092011-01-26T16:58:50.876+00:002011-01-26T16:58:50.876+00:00If these votes had been counted by AV, yellow woul...If these votes had been counted by AV, yellow would never have been selected.<br /><br />There were six voters. The actual colours they voted for doesn't really matter but the results in the first round must therefore have been something like:<br /><br />Pink 1<br />White 1<br />Orange 1<br />Black 1<br />Red 1<br />Green 1<br />Yellow 0<br />Blue 0<br />Teal 0<br /><br />Under this scenario, yellow, blue and teal would have all been excluded. Under AV rules, the vote would then have been decided by randomly selecting between pink, white, orange, black or red. Of course, if the voters had used more than just a first and second preference then it is entirely possible that a consensus colour could have emerged.<br /><br />Of course, if the poll had been done by FPTP then it would have resulted in a random selection as well. The only difference is that with AV there would have been a CHANCE of a consensus forming.<br /><br />This is an argument against systems such as Daborda but only a cretin would pretend it is an argument against AV.Peter Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3881762807913180318.post-12107725601015638142011-01-24T23:16:12.643+00:002011-01-24T23:16:12.643+00:00A reasonable criticism of AV is that actually it D...A reasonable criticism of AV is that actually it DOESN'T have the effect claimed by Wallace. Given the way candidates are eliminated, a candidate who would be a good compromise choice becauses/he everyone's second choice but few people's first doesn't stand a chance because s/he gets eliminated early on.<br /><br />Actually, the problem with AV is that it's everyone's second choice but few people's first. If we were electing electoral systems by AV, it would be the first to be eliminated, leaving its second preference to go to either FPTP or STV. <br /><br />The mechanics of AV are really very simple, I would expect a primary school child to be able to manage it. I would like to live in a world where those who sign up to innumerate and illogical criticisms of it such as that offered by NO2AV were laughed off in the same way as they would be e.g. if they were to write letters full of spelling mistakes, or to suppose Shakespeare wrote "Great Expectations" or to suppose Mary Queen of Scots and "Bloody Mary" were the same person or some other mitskae which suggested the person lacked what is considered basic knowledge for a reasonably intelligent person. Why is it that in thos country people wodl be ashamed to admit to being illiterate, but seem to regard it as a mark of pride to be innumerate?<br /><br />AV simply has the same effect as having a repeated ballot, under the resonable assumption that e.g. if the LibDem is eliminated it would not cause people who voted Labour to switch to Tory or vice versa so actually we only have to reconsider the votes of the eliminated candidates.<br /><br />Another way of putting it is that AV gives the SAME RESULT that FPTP would give if all those candidates who were eliminated before an AV winner was achieved had never stood in the first place.<br /><br />It is NOTHING AT ALL like a "points for preferences" system. Those who claim it is are either fools or liars, whichever, by making that claim they show they are not suitable people to be entrusted with any sort of political power. I mean this - do you want someone who canot understand the simple algorithm that is AV to be running this country? Or someone who does but who lies about it because s/he has no real good and genuine arguments for his/her case, which is really held ony out of self-interest.Matthew Huntbachhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18255872047710686115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3881762807913180318.post-71057403519861564292011-01-24T23:15:20.790+00:002011-01-24T23:15:20.790+00:00It is actually a better voting system than AV (who...It is actually a better voting system than AV (who, outside an asylum, thinks a third choice should be worth as much as a first choice?) so defending AV on the basis that "Auf Wiedersehen Pet" didn't use exactly the same system as AV doesn't cut much ice.<br />Most of your objections to FPTP are overcome by tactical voting - the biggest distortion in the current system is due to the use of ten-years-out-of-date population data for determining constituency sizes, which may be why Labour is filibustering the bill in the "House of Lords".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3881762807913180318.post-71325269795408424292011-01-24T19:29:43.561+00:002011-01-24T19:29:43.561+00:00Surely the real lesson is don't put Barry in c...Surely the real lesson is don't put Barry in charge of anything!Hywelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16094171587140185827noreply@blogger.com